Old YouTrack issues for MonoRail, ActiveRecord, and other under-maintained projects

[Jonathon Rossi]

Hey guys,

*tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close them as
obsolete in a week or so.*

I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful
patches, feature requests and/or were interesting.

The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the advent of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using
GitHub without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.

What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks in
production.

Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it
feels a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I
don't have a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly
that these two projects are now mature and non-longer under active
development, i.e. we'll accept patches and keep them on the CI server but
won't be contributing any time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for
us as a group to be clear to users which projects we are going to spend
effort on to avoid issues like this one (
https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).

*This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought
up a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.*

http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open

Thanks guys

[hammett]

Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.

I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix

Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.

The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.

That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.

So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)

Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close them as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the advent of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e. we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[Jonathon Rossi]

Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.

We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new
questions there.

The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.

@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want
to refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would
like to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do
right?

OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out by
the end of the week.

Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close them as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over

the

Post by Jonathon Rossi
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful

patches,

Post by Jonathon Rossi
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the advent of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project

and

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using

GitHub

Post by Jonathon Rossi
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it

feels

Post by Jonathon Rossi
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't

have

Post by Jonathon Rossi
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these

two

Post by Jonathon Rossi
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e.

we'll

Post by Jonathon Rossi
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing

any

Post by Jonathon Rossi
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be

clear to

Post by Jonathon Rossi
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought

up

Post by Jonathon Rossi
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[hammett]

Is it really worth to migrate everything? I'd say that if the effort
is too much, just dont do it.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close them as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the advent of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e. we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[Jonathon Rossi]

What are you referring to here? The only time I mentioned the word migrate
was in relation to the wiki, I do think there is a while bunch of useful
content on there for Windsor and DP.

If you are referring to the YouTrack issues, migrate isn't the word I would
pick. I'm just going to use the special export API to dump the issues as
XML and throw them like source code into a Git repo, not doing anything
with GitHub Issues.

Post by hammett
Is it really worth to migrate everything? I'd say that if the effort
is too much, just dont do it.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I

think

Post by Jonathon Rossi
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came

over

Post by Jonathon Rossi
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle

forum

Post by Jonathon Rossi
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new

questions

Post by Jonathon Rossi
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and

clean

Post by Jonathon Rossi
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just

leaves

Post by Jonathon Rossi
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users)

want to

Post by Jonathon Rossi
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would

like

Post by Jonathon Rossi
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do

right?

Post by Jonathon Rossi
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out

by

Post by Jonathon Rossi
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close them as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts

over

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However,

I've

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the advent of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle

Project

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle

Core

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of

love

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks

in

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that

these

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e. we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be

contributing

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I

brought

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any

of

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close

off

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of

the

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[hammett]

Sounds good enough to me, then.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
What are you referring to here? The only time I mentioned the word migrate
was in relation to the wiki, I do think there is a while bunch of useful
content on there for Windsor and DP.
If you are referring to the YouTrack issues, migrate isn't the word I would
pick. I'm just going to use the special export API to dump the issues as XML
and throw them like source code into a Git repo, not doing anything with
GitHub Issues.

Post by hammett
Is it really worth to migrate everything? I'd say that if the effort
is too much, just dont do it.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e. we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[Jonathon Rossi]

Cool, thanks.

Just so people don't just write these issues off when they see MonoRail and
ActiveRecord without looking. There are a few others that are still open,
some with some somewhat recent comments. If you want them kept and don't
have time to relog them, let me know and I can do that.

3x DYNPROXY
2x IOC
1x FACILITIES
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open+project%3A-ActiveRecord+project%3A-MonoRail+

Post by hammett
Sounds good enough to me, then.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
What are you referring to here? The only time I mentioned the word

migrate

Post by Jonathon Rossi
was in relation to the wiki, I do think there is a while bunch of useful
content on there for Windsor and DP.
If you are referring to the YouTrack issues, migrate isn't the word I

would

Post by Jonathon Rossi
pick. I'm just going to use the special export API to dump the issues as

XML

Post by Jonathon Rossi
and throw them like source code into a Git repo, not doing anything with
GitHub Issues.

Post by hammett
Is it really worth to migrate everything? I'd say that if the effort
is too much, just dont do it.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however

a

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these

out

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email

directly,

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of

their

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be

great.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a

big

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints

and

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to

build

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with

their

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems

to

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful
patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation

using

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go

into.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the

facilities)

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by

folks

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development,

i.e.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be
clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid

issues

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep

any

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy

of

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
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[Henry Conceição]

Yes, the redirect should be easy.

Cheers,
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Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close them as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the advent of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e. we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[Jonathon Rossi]

OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few of them in
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've removed the
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no longer be
able to get to it.

Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
http://issues.castleproject.org/* to:
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export

I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about any
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the README.

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I

think

Post by Jonathon Rossi
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came

over

Post by Jonathon Rossi
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle

forum

Post by Jonathon Rossi
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new

questions

Post by Jonathon Rossi
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and

clean

Post by Jonathon Rossi
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just

leaves

Post by Jonathon Rossi
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users)

want to

Post by Jonathon Rossi
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would

like

Post by Jonathon Rossi
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do

right?

Post by Jonathon Rossi
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out

by

Post by Jonathon Rossi
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close them as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts

over

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However,

I've

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the advent of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle

Project

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle

Core

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of

love

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks

in

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that

these

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e. we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be

contributing

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I

brought

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any

of

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these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close

off

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everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of

the

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YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
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Thanks, Jonathon!

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OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few of them in
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've removed the
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no longer be
able to get to it.
Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export
I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about any
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the README.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Henry Conceição

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the facilities) are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e. we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid issues like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[Jonathon Rossi]

Thanks Hammett, it has been good to knock over a few Castle things I've
been meaning to do for quite a while.

@Henry we still need the DNS changed as per my last email.

Post by hammett
Thanks, Jonathon!

Post by Jonathon Rossi
OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few of them

in

Post by Jonathon Rossi
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've removed

the

Post by Jonathon Rossi
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no longer be
able to get to it.
Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export
I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about any
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the README.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Henry Conceição

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across to GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however

a

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper look to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these

out

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email

directly,

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of

their

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be

great.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a

big

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints

and

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to

build

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with

their

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems

to

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack relogged on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However, I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful
patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation

using

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go

into.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the

facilities)

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by

folks

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying that it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development,

i.e.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be
clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid

issues

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep

any

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy

of

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
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Henry, sorry for nagging but have you had a chance to look at changing the
DNS and adding a sub-domain forward? If you don't have time to do it at the
moment an acknowledgement would be great to know it is on your radar.

Thanks, Jono

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Thanks Hammett, it has been good to knock over a few Castle things I've
been meaning to do for quite a while.
@Henry we still need the DNS changed as per my last email.

Post by hammett
Thanks, Jonathon!

Post by Jonathon Rossi
OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few of

them in

Post by Jonathon Rossi
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've removed

the

Post by Jonathon Rossi
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no longer

be

Post by Jonathon Rossi
able to get to it.
Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export
I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about

any

Post by Jonathon Rossi
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the README.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Henry Conceição

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything

came

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across

to

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack issues and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to

do

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy,

however a

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper

look

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these

out

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email

directly,

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of

their

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be

great.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a

big

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints

and

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to

build

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem

in

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with

their

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems

to

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see

much

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much

of

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a

castle-ext

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack

relogged

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete.

However,

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had

useful

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation

using

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go

into.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the

facilities)

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by

folks

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in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying

that

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it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development,

i.e.

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we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to

be

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clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid

issues

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like
this one (https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1

).

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This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep

any

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of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll

close

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off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy

of

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the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a

mix.

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http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
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Sorry Jono, I'm following up with him. It's a turbulent - but exciting
- times ahead for Henry's team, so I'm sure he's very busy.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Henry, sorry for nagging but have you had a chance to look at changing the
DNS and adding a sub-domain forward? If you don't have time to do it at the
moment an acknowledgement would be great to know it is on your radar.
Thanks, Jono

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Thanks Hammett, it has been good to knock over a few Castle things I've
been meaning to do for quite a while.
@Henry we still need the DNS changed as per my last email.

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Thanks, Jonathon!

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OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few of them in
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've removed the
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no longer be
able to get to it.
Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export
I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about any
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the README.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Henry Conceição

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
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Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came
over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle
forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across
to
GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack
issues
and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users) want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would
like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to do
right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper
look
to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these out
by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack
relogged
on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts
over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However,
I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful
patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation using
GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle
Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the
facilities)
are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of
love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by folks
in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying
that
it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago. I don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development, i.e.
we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to be
clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid
issues
like
this one
(https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I
brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep any
of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close
off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy of
the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
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Thanks Hammett

Post by hammett
Sorry Jono, I'm following up with him. It's a turbulent - but exciting
- times ahead for Henry's team, so I'm sure he's very busy.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Henry, sorry for nagging but have you had a chance to look at changing

the

Post by Jonathon Rossi
DNS and adding a sub-domain forward? If you don't have time to do it at

the

Post by Jonathon Rossi
moment an acknowledgement would be great to know it is on your radar.
Thanks, Jono

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Thanks Hammett, it has been good to knock over a few Castle things I've
been meaning to do for quite a while.
@Henry we still need the DNS changed as per my last email.

Post by hammett
Thanks, Jonathon!

Post by Jonathon Rossi
OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few of them in
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've

removed

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
the
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no

longer

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
be
able to get to it.
Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export
I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about any
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the README.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Henry Conceição

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years

ago. I

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came
over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle
forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new
questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub,

and

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site

across

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
to
GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that

just

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack
issues
and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our

users)

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would
like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy

to

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
do
right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper
look
to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort

these

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
out
by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's

a

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less

endpoints

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming --

esp

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document,

schemaless

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this

problem

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general

seems

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take

much

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett
of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack
relogged
on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I

close

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in bursts
over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete. However,
I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had useful
patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle
Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation
using
GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go
into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously Castle
Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the
facilities)
are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a lot of
love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by
folks
in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying
that
it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago.

I

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly

that

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active

development,

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
i.e.
we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be
contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group

to

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
be
clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid
issues
like
this one
(https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and

I

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to

keep

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
any
of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll close
off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly

copy

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi
of
the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a mix.

http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

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Done. Sorry for the delay...

Cheers,
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Thanks Hammett

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Sorry Jono, I'm following up with him. It's a turbulent - but exciting
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Henry, sorry for nagging but have you had a chance to look at changing the
DNS and adding a sub-domain forward? If you don't have time to do it at the
moment an acknowledgement would be great to know it is on your radar.
Thanks, Jono

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Thanks Hammett, it has been good to knock over a few Castle things I've
been meaning to do for quite a while.
@Henry we still need the DNS changed as per my last email.

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Thanks, Jonathon!

Post by Jonathon Rossi
OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few of them in
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've removed
the
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no longer
be
able to get to it.
Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export
I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about
any
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the README.
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Henry Conceição

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
Henry Conceição
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail ones are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years ago. I
think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and everything came
over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old castle
forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new
questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on GitHub, and
clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across
to
GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just
leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack
issues
and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our users)
want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and would
like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be easy to
do
right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy, however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a deeper
look
to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other topics you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these
out
by
the end of the week.
Jono

Post by hammett
Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email
directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware of
their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would be
great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think there's a
big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose endpoints and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can be made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less endpoints
and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont have a
programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted to
build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming -- esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities and
doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document, schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this problem
in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room with
their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general seems
to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont see much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take much
of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack
relogged
on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in
bursts
over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete.
However,
I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had
useful
patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation, Castle
Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised organisation
using
GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to go
into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously
Castle
Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the
facilities)
are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a
lot
of
love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used by
folks
in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am enjoying
that
it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years ago.
I
don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly that
these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active development,
i.e.
we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be
contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a group to
be
clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to avoid
issues
like
this one
(https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails and I
brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to keep
any
of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because I'll
close
off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly copy
of
the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather than a
mix.
http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open
Thanks guys
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[Jonathon Rossi]

Many thanks, our issues migration is now complete.

Post by Henry Conceição
Done. Sorry for the delay...
Cheers,
Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Thanks Hammett

Post by hammett
Sorry Jono, I'm following up with him. It's a turbulent - but exciting
- times ahead for Henry's team, so I'm sure he's very busy.

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Henry, sorry for nagging but have you had a chance to look at changing the
DNS and adding a sub-domain forward? If you don't have time to do it

at

Post by Jonathon Rossi

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Post by Jonathon Rossi
the
moment an acknowledgement would be great to know it is on your radar.
Thanks, Jono

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Thanks Hammett, it has been good to knock over a few Castle things

I've

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been meaning to do for quite a while.
@Henry we still need the DNS changed as per my last email.

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Thanks, Jonathon!

Post by Jonathon Rossi
OK, I've closed the remaining YouTrack issues and relogged a few

of

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them in
GitHub. I've exported YouTrack to a pile of XML files and I've removed
the
custom domain name off our YouTrack instance so you will now no longer
be
able to get to it.
Henry could you please redirect anything that goes to
https://github.com/castleproject/castle-youtrack-export
I'd just redirect everything to the root page, no need to worry about
any
rewrite rules to transform the URL and everyone will see the

README.

Post by Jonathon Rossi

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Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

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Post by Jonathon Rossi
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 11:46 PM, Henry Conceição

Post by Henry Conceição
Yes, the redirect should be easy.
Cheers,
Henry Conceição
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hammett, I'm not sure if you noticed but all of the MonoRail

ones

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are
MonoRail 2 not MR3, and they were all logged at least 3 years
ago. I
think
all the MR3 ones ended up in GitHub.
We all sort of neglected JIRA a bit when we had it and

everything

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

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came
over
as is into YouTrack and built up. It reminds me of how the old
castle
forum
was neglected after we basically used the mailing lists and SO for
everything, but weren't clear to users that they shouldn't ask new
questions
there.
The plan is definitely to centralise everything we do on

GitHub,

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

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and
clean
up things that aren't providing value. I've got the web site across
to
GH
pages, we will have all our issues across there soon, and that just
leaves
our wiki which I also plan to migrate.
@Hammett and Henry, heads up I'm planning to dump the YouTrack
issues
and
throw them into a GitHub repo so we've got them if we (or our
users)
want to
refer to them in the future. I'll put a README on the repo, and
would
like
to redirect issues.castleproject.org there, that should be

easy

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

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to
do
right?
OT: the phoenix framework has a lot of similarities to Nancy,
however a
bunch of interesting looking features, I'll have to take a

deeper

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look
to
see what they are doing. I'm happy to talk about the other

topics

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you
raised, but I want to keep this thread on topic so I can sort these
out
by
the end of the week.
Jono

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Yeah, if those PR/patches regarding MR were sent to my email
directly,
I would have given them a look, but so far I wasnt even aware

of

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their
existence. If we could centralize things on github, it would

be

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great.
I just started playing with phoenix today
https://github.com/phoenixframework/phoenix
Going a bit offtopic and in a slight rant: I still think

there's

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a
big
gap in web frameworks all around (ie not only in the .net world).
There's an impedance mismatch on apps that only expose

endpoints

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Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

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and
apps that expose resources/collections/data. An argument can

be

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made
that one can view resources/collections as semantic-less
endpoints
and
that's fair.
The issue is that MVC doesnt fit well (no hierarchies). GData and
OData are good formalizations of these, but we still dont

have a

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programming model that serves this model well. I've attempted

to

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build
one with odata extensions for MR, but it's too overwhelming --
esp
given that OData was engineering based on RDBMS capabilities

and

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doesnt fit well with aggregate domains and|or document,
schemaless
stores.
That said, I have little incentive to take at stab at this
problem
in
the .net world. As we all know MS sucks the air of the room

with

Post by Jonathon Rossi

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their
offerings, regardless of its merits. The community in general
seems
to
be content with the status quo, but more importantly, I dont

see

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much
learning opportunities.
So yes, I can fix bugs thrown at me as long as it doesnt take
much
of
my time. I'd be way more excited to form study groups or a
castle-ext
focused on non-.net stuff :-)
Thanks Jonathon
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 8:58 PM, Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi
Hey guys,
tl;dr. do you want any of the remaining issues in YouTrack
relogged
on
GitHub? (see link below). If so, please relog them before I
close
them
as
obsolete in a week or so.
I've been cleaning out the old issues logged on YouTrack in
bursts
over
the
last few months and have closed a few hundred as obsolete.
However,
I've
kept a bunch of MonoRail and ActiveRecord ones open that had
useful
patches,
feature requests and/or were interesting.
The Castle Project isn't what it was back in 2008, and with
the
advent
of
DVCS, foundation like groups like the Apache Foundation,
Castle
Project
and
Codehaus are being left behind for less formalised
organisation
using
GitHub
without other complexities for many reasons I don't want to

go

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by Henry Conceição

Post by Jonathon Rossi

Post by hammett

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into.
What is our position on the projects we maintain. Obviously
Castle
Core
(including DynamicProxy) and Windsor (plus a bunch of the
facilities)
are
still alive and well maintained. ActiveRecord hasn't seen a
lot
of
love
lately but it still seems somewhat popular, or at least used
by
folks
in
production.
Personally I'm using Nancy for web development and am

enjoying

Post by Jonathon Rossi

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Post by Jonathon Rossi

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that
it
feels
a lot like a progression of where MonoRail was many years

ago.

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I
don't
have
a problem closing the rest of the issues and stating clearly
that
these
two
projects are now mature and non-longer under active
development,
i.e.
we'll
accept patches and keep them on the CI server but won't be
contributing
any
time unless people step forward. I'd prefer for us as a

group

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to
be
clear to
users which projects we are going to spend effort on to

avoid

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issues
like
this one
(https://github.com/castleproject/ActiveRecord/issues/1).
This email is way too long, I know people hate long emails

and

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I
brought
up
a few issues, so lets sort out the first one. If you want to
keep
any
of
these issues current please relog them in GitHub because

I'll

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close
off
everything else in a week. Then I'm going to dump a readonly
copy
of
the
YouTrack issues and we'll use GitHub Issues only rather

than a

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mix.

http://issues.castleproject.org/youtrack/issues?q=State%3A+Open

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